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Forum: AF Development & Design
Thread: Newest Areas
Post by: FloriZeus(7923)
2005-05-23 03:55:43
Just wondering why Area 25 The FRINGE is written with capitals?
Post by: FloriZeus(7923)
2005-05-23 04:08:31
"Wondering whether I get this right...

Doug, is there no way out of the Badlands?"

Of course there is; I just thought it strange there was no travel in my menu...btw Doug, three cheers for the new areas

Post by: Doug the Designer(55)
2005-05-23 21:49:10

I've been enjoying your chat posts more than actually playing. It's nice to have my work rewarded with enthusiasm.

Some notes for your consideration:

1- The FRINGE is in all caps in order to lend an air of forboding and/or wonderment about it.

2- All the areas you are in are the badlands. The reason they are named "portal" is because the description of the path/portal in the travel drop-down box is the name of the area you travel to. During testing, I felt that navigating the Badlands would be nearly impossible if every travel option you had said "Badlands," Since it would make mapping almost impossible.

3- There are several new magic items outside the Badlands, but their frequency has been greatly scaled back. Getting them should be the result of luck or determined questing. The Sunken Pirate Ship was an anomoly because I felt that player skill development was moving slower than the levels were advancing, and I wanted to make sure that the players found all the magic items before they moved onto the mountain. In fact, two items (one significant one) have been removed from the SPS and placed into the other pirate/bandit levels.

4-The missing levels you noted are actually reserved for the Dungeon of Infinity, which was intended to ba a pre-badlands area (but may not be depending on how things go in the Badlands).

5-The Badlands do have ONE exit.

6-I was hoping Pasha would go in first, but it seems Pasha is sitting this one out for now. The Badlands are designed specificly to kick your ass, and leave you a much humbler player if you ever find the exit ;) Exiting them will be viewed as a mark of distinction in the player community, and I do promise that if anyone ever publishes a map, I will change the routes. All it takes is one route change to ruin everything....

7-Getting to the other side will be worth it

8-The map was made semi-randomly. While I made the path to the exit first, it is possible, yet highly unlikely, that a player may be delivered into some areas and get stuck in a loop if he strays off the Exit Path. If this happens, immediately post here, and I can check it out.

9-If you fall into horrible despair and want to kill yourself, let me know, and I can have Peter move you out of the Badlands at a very steep cost to your character.
Post by: FloriZeus(7923)
2005-05-24 02:10:09
Good to hear there's an exit; I hope I get out alive :)

I probably may begin training self if I run out of potions; skill points add up quickly

Now I know the real adventurer's life...not knowing what's ahead, and also not sure about what's behind. Risk everywhere...:)

It will be a great experience, and I hope my tales won't make it a lesser one for others.
Post by: FloriZeus(7923)
2005-05-24 02:23:03
And another lesser question of mine.

That Orc King I stumbled upon, Orgarth or something like that, is he a one-time encounter. (since he carried the only Magic Item I found and I believe the only gold I found in the badlands)
Post by: Doug the Designer(55)
2005-05-24 03:04:21
There are, unfortunately, no such things as ont-time encounters.
Post by: FloriZeus(7923)
2005-05-24 07:49:09
Well, that's ok; I wouldn't mind chopping his head off again :)
Post by: Wolverine(1)
2005-06-01 18:07:25
How many potion did that guy cost you ?

And where you happy with your reward ? :)

Post by: FloriZeus(7923)
2005-06-01 18:34:19
Reward was great...

a nice Skull Belt and +6000 gold. And it cost me no potions, he took only 250 hp off me or so.

Most potions I lose against Sand Worms and Nagas in some of the harder areas.
Post by: Wolverine(1)
2005-06-01 19:44:25
Impressive, I am sure he would kill me and my 200 potions easily :(

Post by: FloriZeus(7923)
2005-06-01 19:48:09
I was maybe lucky with his hits and his max damage...I don't know. Only met him once :)

And I do have plenty of hp :)

That is the good thing of the badlands: you can rest between fights
Post by: FloriZeus(7923)
2005-06-11 13:24:13
Wondering in this field:

why have some areas a Travel option and then no destinations to choose from...and why have some none?

(mostly relevant concerning the portals, since they almost all have no Travel button, until one finds another portal out; yet I know came accross one (Red 113) where the Travel option is already there but without possible destinations).

Just thought that you maybe wanted to synchronize and align your areas :)
Post by: Doug the Designer(55)
2005-06-11 21:32:57
That's interesting. I've never noticed it. I have no idea what the cause could be, and it's not really important.
Post by: Wolverine(1)
2005-06-13 11:20:30
The travel option is only supposed to be there if you can actually go anywhere.

Post by: Doug the Designer(55)
2005-06-13 21:43:35
I think that was his point Peter ;-)

Zeus, in the areas that you notice this in (please list the numbers here), tell me how many gates you eventually found. Was it an empty box, or did it have a blank (whitespace) area that you could select and travel to?
Post by: FloriZeus(7923)
2005-06-13 22:13:26
I did not try to travel to it. But I had a blank space like in Adventures Fame itself when you start the game.

The area was Red 113 I believe and I got a portal to Green 87. It was the first time I had been there, so I thought it very strange to see a Travel option immediately.
Post by: Doug the Designer(55)
2005-06-14 04:45:12
So when you start the game in adventure's fame, this also happens?
Post by: FloriZeus(7923)
2005-06-14 04:54:20
See below
Post by: FloriZeus(7923)
2005-06-14 04:57:19
Yes, you can click on travel and you see such a menu with a downwards arrow(in dutch it's called 'valmenu' but I don't know the exact English term)where you can normally click on to select an area to travel too but only here you can click but not select any since there are no options only a blank small box.

Compare with the menu in SfP to take out items from the Alliance storage if the storage is entirely empty :)

This happens in Adventures Fame when you start and in that one green area.

All "old" areas were ofcourse safe since paths go two ways :) that's why I only wondered once I got inside the Badlands :)
Post by: Doug the Designer(55)
2005-06-14 23:25:37
Unless it's exploitable, it's probably not something that we need to worry about. Peter?
Post by: Infamous_Infants(23)
2005-06-15 02:49:04
I have seen it to – ones or twice, can’t remember where, but I will try to write ’em down next time I spot one.
Anyway and more important a Zombie on level 3 in vampires castle is missing a text. It only have a “.” (dot)
Post by: slangi(11441)
2005-06-16 22:14:58
Hey doug quick question since I'm finally at the point where I can handle the next shift. You added a lot of new areas but is the SPS still good with it's drops on the pirates gear for those of us that haven't had a chance to get all that stuff to go out there and tackle these new areas?
Post by: Doug the Designer(55)
2005-06-17 00:54:57
The treasure payouts have been reduced all over the game. However, pirate's is still probably the best place to get your pirate gear, except that I removed two items, which can be found in other pirate/bandit infested areas.
Post by: FloriZeus(7923)
2005-06-17 05:37:20
About the Travel menu when there are no paths.

Besides Red 113 it also happens in Yellow 101 and Green 26.
Post by: slangi(11441)
2005-06-17 08:10:41
well then how are we supposed to handle these big areas if we cant get the items as easy as the guys that already have them did its kind of unfair...could you at least say the 2 items you removed if anything
Post by: Doug the Designer(55)
2005-06-17 09:34:41
Who said it's supposed fair? It's a game under development. Imbalances will be corrected as the game progresses.
Post by: Doug the Designer(55)
2005-06-17 10:01:44
Let me rephrase:

The only competition in this game is with the players that have started around the same time as you. The "guys" that got nearly free pirate loot started way before you, and are uncatchable by you simply because of when they started. The fact that the players that started before you had an easier time acquiring items is unfortunate, but generally irrelevant due to the temporal compartmentalization of the game.
Post by: slangi(11441)
2005-06-18 03:50:04
ok thats ncie but quit avoiding the real part which 2 items did you remove thats not too significant to tell us that much
Post by: Doug the Designer(55)
2005-06-18 04:18:26
Figure it out for yourself.
Post by: FloriZeus(7923)
2005-06-18 04:51:19
Hmm, another note. The people who had to do a lot of areas when they were over-level for that area also have a disadvantage...:) with harder areas earlier on they might have developed more quickly...:)

so fair is not a part of this game :)
Post by: Doug the Designer(55)
2005-06-23 02:57:42
Looks like Pasha made it out of the badlands :(

Could you let me know how many AP it took you to get through?

There won't be any new development in a while, so if you want to go back to Adventure's Fame, let me know and I'll add an exit.
Post by: Infamous_Infants(23)
2005-06-23 03:50:05
I guess I used around 13000-15000 Ap, I could have used less. I just like to explore all in one area before I go on…meaning I set up a criteria for myself like : 1. have to fight every monster in one area at least twice and 2. find one portal at least trice. Turned out to be enough to find some pattern.
But the areas are very good and I had some great fun taking damage and quaffing potions.
Used around 500 the first 8 days and another 500 the last 5 days (being more careless :))

Well an exit would be fine, but I can wait until Zeus shows up ;)

Post by: FloriZeus(7923)
2005-06-23 04:05:42
I have been in the badlands exactly one month today. As I earn 80+20(bonus ) energy every day and entered with 1200 energy that means I've used 4300 energy so far... I presume I'll need another 100-300 to get to the Golden City. Than I've spent close on 5000 energy.

I explored each area less than Pasha, as soon as I found a portal I stepped through it. I went up 10 levels, used 1500 potions so far...and had a great travel.

Three cheers...there's plenty to do in the Badlands yet, some creatures like Maximus for example are still a lot tougher than me, (but they unfortunately have no potions :)) so as soon as I get out I will buy a lot of potions take a week or so rest at a Lux Inn and then jump straight back in...:)
Post by: Infamous_Infants(23)
2005-07-11 03:12:25
Ok, about the “travel bug”
I think you will see it in every area that someone already have explored.
Just tried some portals that I know for sure that no one had visit and got no travel option at all.

And the areas someone already did explore had the “ghost travel option”.

This count for all the badlands, don’t know if it happens if you make a new character and start from Adventures Fame.

Oh and Pasha would very much like that portal from the Golden city to Adventures Fame now. As he have been sleepless for some weeks and need to see a nice warm bed (warm? Coming from the desert. Must be a nutcase!)

Post by: Doug the Designer(55)
2005-07-13 02:51:09
Well as for beds, I do believe the Golden City has a free inn of the highest quality, at least it should. Maybe making it free broke it somehow. Please let me know what's going on with the inn there.
Post by: Infamous_Infants(23)
2005-07-13 03:44:37
sorry no inn.
Acutely no nothing!!

Death end ;)

Post by: Infamous_Infants(23)
2005-07-13 03:46:56
Well, just checked one more time.

You can buy training. :)
Post by: Doug the Designer(55)
2005-07-13 11:33:55
Ok, it must be the zero. I'll raise the price. If you still want to go back to the beginning, let me know.
Post by: Infamous_Infants(23)
2005-07-13 21:45:28
well, if your are going to build an inn. I guess I can wait until Zeus shows up or whoever...
Post by: Doug the Designer(55)
2005-07-13 21:49:51
The file has been sent to Peter. I'll post here when he confirms the upload, and you can post here if the inn appears before he tells me he uploaded it.
Post by: Doug the Designer(55)
2005-07-14 22:30:42
Should be there now. Is it?
Post by: Infamous_Infants(23)
2005-07-14 22:46:02
Yup, works fine. Thanks Doug ;)
Post by: FloriZeus(7923)
2005-08-07 01:42:03
Finally arrived in Golden City...could the administrators move me to Adventures Fame?
Post by: Doug the Designer(55)
2005-08-07 07:24:36
Will add a portal so you can do it yourself.
Post by: Doug the Designer(55)
2005-08-07 23:13:30
You'll be the first to use it. Let me know if it works as expected.
Post by: FloriZeus(7923)
2005-08-08 06:41:16
It works perfectly.

There is only need of a small space in the message when you get the notice that you found a portal.

Between "to" and "Adventures", there is need of such a space.

Thanks for the portal Doug.
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