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Post by: word life 101(66857) 2007-01-02 19:32:57 |
I feel the legends are being very hard done by with the current +1 damage bonus. Most people work had on vow for around a year just so they can get an advantage when they retire and so they should get an adavantage for their hard work... when i first joined VOW the bonus was +3 and that was the whole reason i wished to retire... however now 2 YEARS later after i finally have retired and i am only getting a +1 damage bonus... i think some thought needs to be put back into this and the damage bonus should be raised to AT LEAST +2 if not the original mark of +3...
you cant see me2. (29020) btw anyone who agrees with this plz post here as a kind of pitison(or however you spell it:P) n let peter know and hopefully the legend bonus will be restored!! |
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Post by: suepahfly(59692) 2007-01-02 19:51:15 |
It's spelled 'petition' i guess... And if everyone gets +2 or +3, it wouldn't be fair compared to the newbies, right? ;) |
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Post by: jmallonee(34807) 2007-01-02 21:44:18 |
I think for their first retirement it should be a +3. and +1 for every subsequent retirement where they start a new wrestling style wrestler. a +.5 if they keep the same style.
it is only a potental bonus anyway. since there is a forced retirement now and I have had both. I think the + 3 is more of a true reward for working for so long on a wrestler. or instead of making it a potential +3. make it a manditory +1 so for every retirement you get a +1 damage to every move everytime. do I think it is unfair. no I dont. I have had the bonus. even had the +3 bonus. and since it is a potential bonus it didnt affect my matches that much. a little but not much. and a legend should be rewarded for their dedication to the game. not that it is an issue for me. I enjoy vow either way. |
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Post by: bla ulv(108040) 2007-01-03 01:39:35 |
I do feel that for the retirement bonus to be random isn't quite fair to those who work for so long and hard to get to retirement. If it's just +1, then it should be every match not just a random thing. Too much coding? |
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Post by: The Legend Killer(21778) 2007-01-03 02:40:23 |
The only reason why the legend bonus changes came around was because of the non-legends who were fed up of being beaten by those who had earned their bonus.
But now those who were opposed to the legend bonus originally are now becoming legends and are complaining. |
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Post by: jmallonee(34807) 2007-01-03 03:05:35 |
that's true. I ofcourse was never in favor of the legend bonus down grade.
I guess the old saying " be careful what you ask for because you just might get it" has came around to those who complained and now that they are legends or close want the way it was before. it wasn't that they wanted what was best for vow. it was tht they wanted what was best for them at a certain time. they wasnt looking at the big picture. |
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Post by: gruchul(66928) 2007-01-04 05:04:45 |
As a legend myself, I don't think the value of the bonus needs to be changed. At the moment, new players have a decent chance, but we still have a little edge. My gripe is with the fact such a small bonus was taken out of all non-VWO tournaments. My opinion of this now and at the time hasn't changed: don't take out the bonus from tournaments! Whilst a little selfish perhaps, I feel the reasons for taking it away are fairly ridiculous. If an extra five damage over a match would make a significant difference then I'd understand, but it doesn't! |
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Post by: word life 101(66857) 2007-01-04 11:05:10 |
when i wasn't a legend i never complained about the +3 bonus.... you just knew if you were fighting a legend expect to get beaten down a little |
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Post by: denzil(82151) 2007-01-04 11:36:58 |
i have been on the end of +7 bounus agenst bubba and hick. it did hurt. but it was twice as sweet when ya beet them. it was the same when i fought BA and Gatch. i new i had a 30% chance on the win with = exp. but there fame was a god saver. + every one wanted to try them selves against these boys\gods of vow. LK is up there now with his char. +4 is not to shaby. i would like to see the vets that go multy style get one free move per style. as well as there +1.
Tournys are still the same. all vets that play have nolage and skill to do with move sets and specs. so no bounus does not mean any thing. look at Joker. he holds 4 Belts and his fame is awesome. i fight him with my sswo to get a good pay out. so what if i loos. he has over 1800 fame. re my post on gods a bit eralyer in the post. |
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Post by: Captain Stupendous(38517) 2007-01-04 12:29:42 |
I personally don't care about the legend bonus one way or the other. However, I do think that legends should get a permanent fame bonus to give non-legends some incentive to face the legends and their fearsome intermittent +1 (or more) bonus.
I also agree that the bonus should apply to all matches, including tournament matches. The current restriction is just plain weird. |
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Post by: denzil(82151) 2007-01-04 19:17:16 |
so do all the legends realy need a masive bonus to do better. i dont think so. why does it have to be more dmg.?? why. just because it was old school? come on i know its not that bad the second time around. your move sets will be spot on. so its just moneing if ya ask me. ask for something new! |
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Post by: denzil(82151) 2007-01-04 20:13:47 |
1. lock fame in for vwo at 500 fame.
2. give a free move for each legend restart. 3. lock in the dmg to a permement dmg? i dont like this. it would make all non singles matchs so unfair. lms matchs can go for 20 moves or more.+ this would be +20 for one match. god help us if it is LK or bubba. over 20 moves it would be 100 dmg for the base bounus and never mind the standed dmg of the moves. so this is why its all random dmg. 4. any thing new to add guys? this is for legends to get i mean. not to help the poor old newb. lol just so legends can rule? |
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Post by: The Legend Killer(21778) 2007-01-04 21:29:14 |
Just a quick point. Legends get dragged down after 5 retirements. Once they retire each style once, they have to retire another 2 styles to get just another 1 bonus.
Free move sounds good, although that would slightly persuade the legends to just get something which will make them definately godlike in the early game. I know what move I would take with each style given the chance. |
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Post by: m_carta(37500) 2007-01-05 00:04:27 |
One drawback for the damage bonus is when a legend's offense gets countered. Countered moves deal the attacker half the intended damage, but if your guy can throw a 30+ damage back at a legend? Ouch. And I doubt you will see legends receive a boost to their Consciousness just so they can absorb the hits from countered moves.
But yeah, the damage bonus should not have been removed from the tourneys. If you're talking style tourneys the legends are just as vulnerable to quick pins, subs or (if you have it) the toss out of the ring KO as anyone else. There should be reward options for wrestlers who make it to the legend list. Either choose an extra damage point, or get a free move when you retire, or boost the inherent advantage of their next style; give players a few more options. |
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Post by: denzil(82151) 2007-01-05 11:11:45 |
i have specs counted all the time. the best counter i have seen was for 14 dmg. i allso asked BA what the best counter he had ever done. it was 14 dmg. i have done 12 my self. now remmber BA was a teck and had 13000 exp too. so a 30 point dmg counter will not happen ever! |
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Post by: denzil(82151) 2007-01-05 11:13:43 |
P.S tournys are fine. look at Joker with 4 belts soon to be 5. why does he need extra +2? lol he does not. He falls in beside Hick and Bubba as Gods of VOW. |
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Post by: gruchul(66928) 2007-01-05 11:52:22 |
I've been countered for 16 before.
Moral of the story: Don't specialise superplex as a trad! (Unless you're insane, then you're in good company!) |
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Post by: Coneman(325) 2007-01-05 14:23:41 |
People say its all damage bonus, they should also realise LEGENDS ARENT NOOBS. And know how to play. |
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Post by: denzil(82151) 2007-01-06 21:32:16 |
if it was bite that got counted for 16 dmg i would say fine. but i bet it was from a move that did 16 dmg by its self. or was it a spec ? i see specs get counted all the time like bite arm drag take down. they never go over there own dmg max. i dont know about the rest of you. any difrent? |
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Post by: word life 101(66857) 2007-01-07 18:41:01 |
thats true coneman |
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Post by: m_carta(37500) 2007-01-08 03:20:56 |
A special that gets countered deals half the damage back to its owner. So if your special can hit up to 30 damage max, you can get whacked for up to 15 if it is countered. |
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Post by: word life 101(66857) 2007-01-08 10:53:05 |
yes but the only reason joker wins is cuase he has like 891626 specials:P |
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Post by: The Legend Killer(21778) 2007-01-08 22:38:18 |
12..... so what?
I've been winning belts since I had 4 specials. |
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Post by: Bret Hart(73101) 2007-01-09 18:42:25 |
I would hardly attribute Joker's title wins to his number of specials or anything else. He simply knows how to play the game! Joker is quite possibly the best player I have ever played. The question should not be why does Joker need another dmg point, it should be... Doesn't he deserve it? Hasn't he earned it? I think so!
While I didn't at first agree with the 1 point dmg for legends, I have grown to the idea. I am a 2 time legend, going on 3... So, I'm going to get my 3 dmg extra one way or the other. Once you retire the first time, the second retirement and 3rd come much quicker... Simply because you know what you're doing. My stand is that more dmg bonus would be nice, but I don't really care about it anymore. |
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Post by: tbragu(97303) 2007-01-09 19:37:20 |
I am nearing my first retirement, and personally, I think that is worth it's own merits. Joker was a great character before he ever achieved legend status, as are most of the other really good players. The bonus is great, but it won't make you a God. |
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Post by: BALLA2K4(31390) 2007-01-10 06:19:17 |
I have to agree, as a legend, that the 1 bonus is plenty. I do, however, think it should be a full time bonus, tournies included. As it stands now, we get a 1 damage bonus in reg matches but nothing in tourney matches, which means we get a half time bonus. And for whoever said something about joker holding 4 belts, in the VWO tournies, you get your legend bonus, just not in the lower tournies. |
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Post by: yar(35506) 2007-01-10 06:46:14 |
grow up people and quite complaining about petty stuff. legend bonus whoopie a chance to hit a +1, it doesnt happen every move and isnt that big of a deal. Legends are legends because of their knowledge of the game and how to put it in action, In most cases anyway. carry on. |
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Post by: word life 101(66857) 2007-01-10 09:51:09 |
I see your point and thats true but i remeber the +3 made a big difference when fighting a legend. I remeber fighting Bubba Gump when he was below my exp and he destroyed me with a pile driver for 20 damage:P |
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Post by: BubbaG(33460) 2007-01-10 10:50:15 |
Come on would I do something like that???? |
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Post by: word life 101(66857) 2007-01-10 11:38:57 |
lol :P
hey bubba i dont see you or HB on vow that much anymore or do u just come on when i'm alseep:P? |
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Post by: BubbaG(33460) 2007-01-10 12:23:18 |
No I've given up VOW. It just lost its thrill for me. I'm on AF and sometimes GW. But the kids are getting bigger so I'm trying to spend more time with them now.
"Why's Daddy always on the computer??? Shhhhh he's almost got his 16th Special and gettting ready to retire for the 6th time." |
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Post by: word life 101(66857) 2007-01-10 12:25:58 |
lol :P bahaha |
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Post by: word life 101(66857) 2007-01-10 13:00:34 |
u always cracked me up bubba:P |
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Post by: Syrjis(80123) 2007-01-10 21:04:59 |
Getting hit by a Superplex for 40+ dmg was fun back in the days. |
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Post by: denzil(82151) 2007-01-12 20:52:28 |
Thats right so when ya get a win against a legend like BUBBA BA JOKER and GOOD old HICK BOB ya find the win is so much better . just like a beer on a stinking hot day.
Bubba has a fillter to block out vets he does not want to see in game. lol so he gives all the newer vets hell because thay have only herd his godly name. O O! lol Bow down you lowly little Vet! o o! Denzil |
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Post by: BubbaG(33460) 2007-01-13 01:14:13 |
Hey thats a trade secret your giving away :(
Thats the other advantage you get for retiring 5 times. Noob Filter |
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Post by: denzil(82151) 2007-01-13 22:09:55 |
Hee Hee Bubba. would be nice to see ya back dropping in and doing some tournys if ya feel up to it. I will shout the first round of Free beer if ya do!
Denzil |
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Post by: word life 101(66857) 2007-01-23 10:45:11 |
most of us agree that the +3 damage for your first retirement and +1 for each further retirement is better becuase the players have earned that and can enjoy something after they retire.... so what can we do to get it back? i'm not sure... anyone have any ideas?... i mean i could start a petition in my stats which has the names of everyone who agrees.... but wether peter would achually notice that or not when he comes on vow...... |
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Post by: horne 86(108503) 2007-01-24 00:34:13 |
Why would legends need a plus 3 damage bonus after retiring the first time? Vow should be more competitive than that otherwise you'd have a handful of guys owning just because of a substancial legend's bonus.
how about something new? like matches only legends can be a part of, a fame cap in which your fame doesn't drop below what you start with and so forth. why not a style advantage? like if you are a legend and come back tech a bonus countering chance, for SN a bonus damage reduction, and so on? Just imagine how stale VOW would become if there were only a few legends and they all had massive legends bonus and you think it's hard to get matches now, being a legend :p Truly, a legend doesn't really need the bonus anyways, you're already better than other players to begin with so you don't need that much of a handicap, bonus is more of an incentive for making it that far. Legends bonus should be hit and miss just like everyone elses' moves are to give new players a chance, then again, how often do you hear guys go on about doing 106 more con damage and still losing a match? :O why exactly should the legends bonus change damage wise? maybe they should allow it in tourneys other than VWO and it shouldn't be a plus 1 everytime you hit because our moves should not always hit max anyways , it should fluctuate just like everyone else's moves because by the time you're a legend you should be able to deal with it. I know I can. Will Rumble p.s. Legends should be made to be better than other chars but not meant to be unstoppable. |
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Post by: Syrjis(80123) 2007-01-24 21:54:50 |
"Just imagine how stale VOW would become if there were only a few legends and they all had massive legends bonus and you think it's hard to get matches now, being a legend :p"
What? You mean VOW isn't stale NOW? o.O And atleast the old legend bonus was actually a BONUS.. |
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Post by: word life 101(66857) 2007-03-11 14:33:26 |
mmmm what does 0.5 bonus achaully mean... i mean i haven't seen ycsm2 make a stupendous pile driver for 18.5 damage as of yet:P |
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Post by: legendary wolf(38655) 2007-03-11 14:44:06 |
you love bumping old topics dont you YCSM2 ;p |
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Post by: Captain Stupendous(38517) 2007-03-11 14:53:12 |
The +0.5 doesn't mean a damn thing until you get another +0.5 to add to it. |
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Post by: word life 101(66857) 2007-03-11 17:19:38 |
are you being serious capt.... so if i retirea again and get a 1.5 it is just 1? |
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Post by: Captain Stupendous(38517) 2007-03-12 06:20:53 |
Yup. Now you understand. |
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Post by: lopi9(263027) 2007-03-12 10:07:15 |
Howabout some1 donates for me!!!! |
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Post by: word life 101(66857) 2007-03-18 12:49:24 |
stick to the topic lopi you fool |
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Post by: lopi9(263027) 2007-03-18 15:51:35 |
There should be a vwo rumble |