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Thread: what's happened to the mods?
Post by: bla ulv(108040)
2005-08-23 00:42:48
what's happened to the mods? They use to be on a lot, now when things start getting out of hand, there doesn't seem to be anyone to put a stop to it. Just this morning; someone was in chat being rude, crude, and argumentative. Got everyone going, soon people were saying things to insult him, and were insulting others as well. I don't know what's going on, other than the mods aren't on like they use to be and things were better then. They need to be brought back, who agrees?
Post by: lafaloo(109978)
2005-08-23 00:57:20
I second that!
Keep the vulgarity out of V.O.W.
Post by: bse(99463)
2005-08-23 00:57:40
I completely agree. I spend a lot of time logged in and, since the removal of the mods, there have been increasing problems. The amount of abusive language and attitude is on the increase. The removal of mods has caused mroe problems than it solved in my humble opinion
Post by: madeles(83025)
2005-08-23 01:02:04
The mods meant you knew what was possible and what wasnt. Just having 2 makes it difficult to know what you can say and what you can't.
Post by: insane clown(11577)
2005-08-23 07:31:18
no need for mods really they banned the wrong people and let the bad get away so the way it is no is really no different apart from the good guys dont get suspended
Post by: gatcholio(28366)
2005-08-23 14:24:44
once again, I apologize for suspending you for posting links to porn sites in chat on a family game, IC. Clearly that was something a good guy does. :p
Post by: word life 101(66857)
2005-08-23 15:18:06
lol gatch u posted a link t porn sites...u prob didn't mean to..i dont like getting suspended for annoying people but do beleive there should be mods..what achually happended to them that made them get disbanded?
Post by: Danny Blade(82684)
2005-08-23 17:27:35
I heard all the mods died in a car accident...

Post by: Kueller(13231)
2005-08-23 19:34:08
not all of them...
Post by: Danny Blade(82684)
2005-08-23 19:36:32
Damn - I'm so un-happy now. :p
Post by: insane clown(11577)
2005-08-23 20:10:33
apart from the porn site i mean all the other times and i dont mean just me
Post by: The Legend Killer(21778)
2005-08-23 23:43:39
Some of us can never be killed Daniel :P Sometimes it feels like there is a lot of pressure off the mods, but then again, there is the two edged sword effect....
Post by: yar(35506)
2005-08-23 23:50:48
well as a X-MOD, i am not going to feed into this conversation, but everyone who knows me knows where i stand and why.
Post by: Danny Blade(82684)
2005-08-24 00:01:21
lol, don't call me Daniel. :p
Post by: Doug the Designer(55)
2005-08-24 10:54:32
"well as a X-MOD, i am not going to feed into this conversation, but everyone who knows me knows where i stand and why."

So, by restating your position by specifying that you are not actually stating it because everyone knows what it is, you're not feeding into the conversation how?
Post by: yar(35506)
2005-08-24 14:56:03
because i was asked not to discuss the mod problem in public. alot of other people had things to say, and instead od addressing the issue ytou felt the need to attack me personaly, if you have a problem with me why dont you pm me and we can work out our differances.
Post by: Doug the Designer(55)
2005-08-24 21:48:52
I'm not attacking you personally, I'm just pointing out that by saying you're not saying anything, you're actually saying something.

You're not a CM anymore. You are entitled to express any opinion you want to express.
Post by: yar(35506)
2005-08-24 22:13:12
i refuse to lower myself to argue with an administrator any longer.
as a matter of fact i apologize for arguing in public with you.

Post by: bse(99463)
2005-08-25 00:25:27
I have debated with myself whether I should add my two peneth worth to this thread, but feel that as it has been made so public then it should be open to public comment.

It is evident for all that there is an issue here with yourself Doug. The comment made by Mr50k was made as a closing, not an opening. Obciously as an ex mod he will have a view on this subject. That view was his and he was entitled to air it.

That view was then shot down without due thought or respect. 50k offered to sort this out in a more mature and discreet way, by PM, and you have replied in here to state that "you aren't attacking personally".

I feel that 50k had made his point. If you were trying to encourage a better standard of Mods before you removed them, you have not set the standard very high with your own actions.

This is neither a personal attack on yourself or an attempt to get myself banned, but merely an opinion of a paying player. The amount of respect you have shown a man who has given his own time (as a mod) and money (as a player) to this game is bordering shameful.

I hope that this view gives you the feeling of an outsider to this argument and maybe give room for reflection
Post by: Doug the Designer(55)
2005-08-25 00:30:34
I have learned now that there is absolutely nothing I can say here that will not be taken out of context or misunderstood, so I will say nothing at all.
Post by: Doug the Designer(55)
2005-08-25 02:23:41
Mr. 50K and I have aligned our perspectives privately. While we may still disagree on the issues, we now disagree from the correct perspective, instead of the negatively skewed one that we were previously viewing each other's comments through.

If anyone out there that thinks I'm Evil, feel free to set up an IM appointment and we can talk things over.
Post by: Doug the Designer(55)
2005-08-25 02:46:51
The CM's were removed because the system was dysfunctional from a management standpoint.

First, they had tremendous power but no accountability for their actions.

Second, they had tremenous responsibility but no compensation to encourage them to excercise it.

Third, they were too vested in their characters. They were hit with the ugly but unavoidable double-standard where they are players first, but are expected by the players to behave at a higher standard.

Fourth, they were not adequately trained.

Fifth, as the first line of authority in PLIT, they were attacked by the players who were disgruntled with Peter's management style. This (to them) unexplained aggression caused serious morale problems, which led to infighting and managerial headaches.

Sixth, there were way to many to expect them all to adopt a uniform vision of moderation. This caused players to adopt and befriend "favorite" mods and try to turn them against the mods they didn't like, generally the more strict versus the more lax.

Seventh, the CM system evolved on it's own, independent of the administration, and developed a self-mandate that exceeded it's original purpose.

When all these issues are adequately addressed, we will consider hiring back one or two CMs. Until then, the standards have not changed, just how they are enforced. If you foul up the chat, it is being logged, and action will eventually be taken against your account. Peter has put myself and Hick Bob under a "zero tollerance" directive, which means that we suspend you first for violations and then work it out later. If everyone excercises good taste and decency, then there won't be any problems.

I want to thank all of the former CMs for their time and dedication, and my apologies that it didn't work out. The failure of the system is not a reflection on you, but a failure of the administration to adequately prepare you for the rigors of CMing.

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